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BuddhasWench

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Re: Where have all the centrists gone?
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2009, 10:15:16 pm »
A lot of the people you hear from (The people who make the news that is) are generally from one end of the other, there aren't really any centrist.  A lot of people I just think are idiots in the house and wonder how on earth they got into the house or senate.

Personally I would say I like Brad Sherman from California, I actually don't know to terribly much about him but when I was watching CSPAN during the first bail-out he made a real impression on me as a democrat that was against it, and not in a Kucinich sort of way either.

I don't believe in that many politicians but he seems pretty consistent from what I've read about him and seen on the senate floor.  I've not much more to add he seems socially liberal and fiscally conservative to me, so possibly he could count, but as he doesn't seem to have that much pull in the house, as I think people tend to go with one side or the other and just vote for a (D) or an (R) and not really on issues.

Anyway this is just the first time I saw him and was impressed.

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Re: Where have all the centrists gone?
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2009, 11:29:35 pm »
There's a very large difference, whether it's recognised here or not, between having watered-down ideals and having a strong, mixed set of ideals.

Just because someone is socially Liberal and fiscally Conservative doesn't make them Lord Neutral of the Neutral Planet.

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Re: Where have all the centrists gone?
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2009, 11:34:00 pm »
There's a very large difference, whether it's recognised here or not, between having watered-down ideals and having a strong, mixed set of ideals.

Just because someone is socially Liberal and fiscally Conservative doesn't make them Lord Neutral of the Neutral Planet.


No one said we were arguing for watered down ideals alia. You should know full well just how black and white my positions are.

They just happen to contradict the extreems of right and left in this country, and for that matter the extremes of anarchy and totalitarianism.
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Re: Where have all the centrists gone?
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2009, 01:35:40 am »
There's a very large difference, whether it's recognised here or not, between having watered-down ideals and having a strong, mixed set of ideals.

Just because someone is socially Liberal and fiscally Conservative doesn't make them Lord Neutral of the Neutral Planet.


Well by centrist I don't mean neutral, that implies lack of resolve or opinion.  I usually just think of beliefs that don't land them firmly on one side of the political spectrum or the other, which overall could land them close to the middle (of course leaning one way or the other). 

To find a true centrist would be hard to do, you can really only get close.

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Re: Where have all the centrists gone?
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2009, 02:45:40 pm »
Yes but of the major political ideologies a moderate is one who takes a stance in between apposing view points.

Its not a philosophy or an ideology, it is a category.

And this forum was intended to be centrists only, meaning you shouldn't be posting here if you don't consider yourself a centrist.

If you want to debate the legitimacy of centrists, we have a debate forum. If you want to discuss political ideology we have a theory forum.

Please respect the rules of this forum.

Everyone else posting in here is a centrist? O.o

I think you'd be hard pressed to call Alia a centrist. And I thought this place was just a section for discussing centrist philosophy not that you had to be a centrist to post in here, that seems a bit dubious to me. But whatever...

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Re: Where have all the centrists gone?
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2009, 02:54:54 pm »
She also will not be permitted to go off topic.

To clarify, my intention was to give different partisan groups separate forums for them to talk amongst themselves without being attacked.

Something every other forum I have ever been part of has been sorely lacking.

The general topics for everyone are debate, and theory.

I'll allow people who aren't part of a given group to post there only provided that they don['t argue against the political philosophy that forum represents.

You are arguing against centrism and that is not permitted in this particular board, that belongs as I said in debate.
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Re: Where have all the centrists gone?
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2009, 09:12:59 pm »
I think "there might not be any" is a legitimate answer to, "Where have all the Centrists gone?"

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Re: Where have all the centrists gone?
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2009, 09:56:37 pm »
Well that might be part of the answer. I prefer to think centrists are the true silent majority, because if they weren't I should be a lot less popular than I am considering how openly political I am and the fact that I lean right in Massachusetts.
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Re: Where have all the centrists gone?
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2009, 10:47:13 pm »
She also will not be permitted to go off topic.

To clarify, my intention was to give different partisan groups separate forums for them to talk amongst themselves without being attacked.

Something every other forum I have ever been part of has been sorely lacking.

The general topics for everyone are debate, and theory.

I'll allow people who aren't part of a given group to post there only provided that they don['t argue against the political philosophy that forum represents.

You are arguing against centrism and that is not permitted in this particular board, that belongs as I said in debate.

Oh I don't blame you, that's a very good idea in theory. Though the last such forum I saw that institute such a policy was a **** christian fascist apologetics forum.

Although, I wasn't attacking I was just giving my view on the thread title I don't think they've gone anywhere because I don't think they really exist in the form their title seems to suggest. ;)

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Re: Where have all the centrists gone?
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2009, 05:01:30 pm »
Does this look like a christian fascist forum? I mean to my knowledge Alia is the only fascist here, and she's an atheist. Lenny maybe but he's more of a neo confederate.

Anyway, I just want people to have a sanctuary. I'm trying to encouraged the formation of factions. I want gangs of right and left wingers to set up shop here and go at it in the debate forum. Under my light but fair moderation.

That way we can get some real meaningful debate going.

People of all ideologies are welcome here. In time I may expand and give other parties their own categories. In fact I am considering making a separate libertarian one, at least 3 people here belong to that already.
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