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Was the Iraqi time table a mistake?

Yes, the enemy will just wait until we are gone and attack
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maybe
1 (33.3%)
no the Iraqi government wants us out
0 (0%)
no the war is wrong and we should leave
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Re: Can we withdraw from Iraq?
« on: May 05, 2009, 11:34:05 am »
The ideology is similar, the belief in a totalitarian regime set to conquer the world. The difference is that the Islamic revolution is closer to the Bolshevik in that it is taking place in separate nations near simultaneously. While the front of Islamic fundamentalism is divided, it exists. And despite internal divisions it will eventually form a block from which we will have to defend ourselves against. We cannot avoid this eventuality, we must nip it in the bud.

Just because the ideology is similar does not mean the threat is. Islamic Terrorism is in no way comparable to Nazi Germany's imperialist move to conquer all of Europe. We don't need to "nip it in the bud" because they are a bunch of rag tag sand people that don't bare us any real threat.

That's an absurd argument. We occupied the country in at attempt to remove the Taliban from power and dismantle al Qaeda. To that end the continued existence of the Taliban is something we must face to achieve our objectives, and we cannot hope to expand into Pakistan without first securing Afghanistan, and time is of the essence.

It is both of critical strategic interest, and of moral obligation. It is most certainly "our problem."

No we invaded Afghanistan in order to apprehend the masterminds behind 9/11. We were not on a mission to spread democracy. The Taliban got in our way that's why they were "dismantled" at the time. Although as recent events have clearly shown any attempt to dismantle said group is short lived and futile. It's like trying to forcefully break up the mob... which didn't happen for decades until internal circumstances broke them for us. Furthermore, it's like trying to break up the mob in a different country. It's simply not feasible nor is it our problem. Our only moral obligation is to the U.S. it's interests and it's citizens.

That won't happen, and it would be meaningless if it did. Osama isn't the problem, he is a figure head. The problem is the condition of the Islamic world that creates people like Osama, and that won't be effected by removing him. We must safe guard our allies, and keep the middle east open. Only with an open middle east can we see the gradual economic improvements that will end terrorism.

Osama was the one ultimately responsible for the 9/11 attacks, I didn't say he was a problem now. The condition of the Islamic world is not our problem, and further meddling in middle east affairs will only lend us more grief later on. As is seen from the result of our arming the Taliban in the 80s. No amount of war can solve cultural and religious hatred, in fact it's like pooring gasoline on a fire.

Of course its our place, if we don't they will fall into anarchy and we will have a slew of other problems, or should I remind everyone of the Balkans, and Rwanda?

Whether or not a middle east country falls into anarchy is not our concern. Not our citizens, not our country, not our business. Rwanda was a perfect example of why we should stay the hell out of savage nations that don't want us there. How many more American soldiers have to die for foreigners that hate us and hate our ideals before the globalist "moral imperative" is complete? Considering this ideology has been in practice since Vietnam and possibly Korea going on 50 to 60 years now it seems needlessly endless when the fruits of the labor are by any measure less then amicable.

First off your premise is a conspiracy theory and I find it not worth debating simply because it is ludicrous. Secondly globalism is progress, it is what we need to end a number of problems currently afflicting humanity, and I find any pretense of nationalism or isolationism to be an excuse for the xenophobic and the racist.


It's a conspiracy that Bush lied about WMDs being in Iraq? It's a lie that is apparently well documented then everything from false testimony given to congress by Secretary Powell to distorted evidence presented by Rumsfeld about "mobile weapons caches" that never existed. That's not a conspiracy that's an open lie made to the public. Globalism is not progress because it seeks to undermine and artificially change human nature before human nature is ready. It won't work, and it's "progress" has brought us 3 major wars now 2 of which look like they will have lasted more then a decade before all is said and done. They've brought us financial ruin, loss of sovereignty, too much emphasis on foreign treaty, wasted hours and effort in search of middle east peace, and millions of lost American lives. You can keep your progressive globalism, I don't want it. Our primary concern should not be with humanity it should be with U.S. citizens end of story.


Obama isn't going far enough, and neither did bush. I am happy that Obama is sending in more troops. But time is critical and we cannot afford to lose Iraq. I think we should seriously consider a draft, a solution to the manpower question might be found in awarding illegal immigrants amnesty in exchange for serving in the military. Historically this has been a popular and effective means of integration.


Obama isn't going far enough? I suppose if you are in favor of European Socialism and foreign interventionism then I could see why you might think that. I'm not in favor of that. I'm not happy that he's sending in my friends and our people to die for people that don't want us in their country, and for a vague non-specified cause. Seems like we are having war just for the sake of war these days. We are leaving Iraq in June or did you not hear the Iraqi prime minister told us to get the hell out? I say good we should have never been there in the first time, it's about time we brought home our soldiers from a course not worthy for them to lose their lives over. And you think we should institute a draft? The government can draft me when I'm dead.