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The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« on: May 01, 2009, 01:19:23 am »


That about sums it up, I'm sure your thinking no. Of course the free thinking maverick republican who supports small government and traditional conservative values could possible be a racist...

However, take a closer look.

Who ever wrote the Ron Paul newsletter... was Obviously a neo nazi. And I really don't take arguments that Pauly boy had nothing to do with the newsletter that bore his name for 30 years seriously. That's like saying Obama didn't know Wright was a lunatic. Unless you are a cult of personality stooge, you have to face the facts about the GOP's crazy uncle.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=74978161-f730-43a2-91c3-de262573a129

As I expounded on in my pro central bank topic the "end the fed" arguments are based on a set of lies.

http://giulianosforum.createaforum.com/debate/central-banking/

What I didn't say was the lies are based on anti globalism. Now ask yourself, what group is against cultures, races, and peoples becoming more alike, mixing with eachother... Well what group was and is against inter racial marriage?

I think we can hit the same conclusion. Nazi's since Ernst Zundel and Dave Duke have gone on tirades about Der Jew and the evil banking conspiracy. The Rothschild... always the Rothschild... 

http://skepdic.com/illuminati.html

Anyway the difference is now the Nazi's drop Jew and just manipulate populists anger against rich people, to target Jewish bankers, and by association Jews. they have hijacked libertarianism, they have also hijacked the conspiracy click, and the anti war click. Specially the pro Palestine lobby.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/alliance/alliance20.html

So always remember, when you hear the demagogue shout down the evil banker, check to see how many of those bankers just happen to be Jewish, then check out this guy's history. If a ton of his supporters are Nazi's, and you find an old newsletter where he calls MLK a ****, He just might be a racist...
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Re: The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2009, 11:35:16 am »
Ad hominem.

The fact is, globalism is a scary concept no matter what. Any reasonable person would like the idea that if a country becomes completely corrupt, there are other countries. You don't even need race to make the argument that individual cultures ought to be allowed to keep their individual values. It is good that the French are different and separate from the English.

I freely admit that I'm a racist but that has very little to do with my problems with globalism. I think it leads to global slavery. And if the bankers getting bailed out by the government because they were greedy and intentionally pushed through bad mortgages were white - some *gasp* actually are - I would and do have just as much against them. Here I must even admit that Jews do not engage in such behaviour any more than whites do.

I hate people who make the argument that just because someone is a racist, everything they say is garbage. Ron Paul isn't even a racist, first of all. And secondly, why does it matter that the person who wrote the Ron Paul newsletter was? I want a clear answer: Why does it matter?

Why does it matter that Joe Random Libertarian or Bob Random Pro-Palestine might be a racist? He might be a redneck. But I don't expect that would be any argument against him. Perhaps they are racist because of those issues, rather than simply taking up issues that support racism. I want a clear answer: Why does it matter?

I wouldn't expect whether someone is a racist or not to be able to raise or destroy their other viewpoints. Just as I wouldn't expect the question of whether someone is a paedophile or not to be able to besmirch all that they have done for the benefit of mankind.

What problem do you have addressing the issues themselves instead of the values of the supporters of the side you oppose? If they have no reasons other than petty racism for their views, it will certainly come out in their discourse.

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Re: The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2009, 03:49:16 pm »
Did you read the Ron Paul newsletter? Its not an ad holmium if its true. And I'm not making a pro globalism, Israel, or anti libertarian point here. I'm merely pointing out a real and disturbing phenomenon. White supremacists have infiltrated the libertarian, pro Palestine, and anti globalism movement.

And alia you should know full well that I do respect the opinions of racists, since you are one.

I'm so anti discrimination that I don't even discriminate against you, when according to the rules of PCness I'm supposed to.

I do however discriminate against one group... conspiracy theorists, only because they annoy me.
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Re: The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2009, 04:00:08 pm »
It is still Ad Hominem if true. You cannot use one view a person or group holds in order to discredit all the other views. The rules of Logic dictate that each argument or viewpoint ought to be taken individually on its merits alone, and not on the basis of the individual putting it forward, no matter who or what he may be.

Politics is blind to Logic, unfortunately, and my dear Gaius seems to be becoming quite the Politician.

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Re: The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2009, 07:47:31 pm »
Ok, so am I supposed to ignore the fact that he is a closet neo nazi? That's kind of the point of this topic. I mean I'm not anti libertarian, I'm just anti "the sky is falling because the evil Jews are making it fall" people.
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Re: The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2009, 07:53:33 pm »
Ok, so am I supposed to ignore the fact that he is a closet neo nazi? That's kind of the point of this topic. I mean I'm not anti libertarian, I'm just anti "the sky is falling because the evil Jews are making it fall" people.

It's hard to deny what is right in front of your face.

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Re: The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2009, 07:54:39 pm »
If a certain person is of a minority and is behaving badly, he's going to attract neo-Nazis to his criticism. That fact doesn't mean he's not really behaving badly.

To be perfectly Logical, yes you're supposed to ignore a person's character when addressing their arguments and concerns. Politics has taught you otherwise, politics wherein it is incredibly easy to discredit someone via some nasty fact or scandal. He's a neo-Nazi, he had his doodle sucked in the ovular office, she once tried marijuana... None of these things really mean that the person's politics and policies are invalid.

But look up "Ad Hominem" and you will see some examples exactly like the denunciations you here present.

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Re: The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2009, 08:04:38 pm »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the source making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.



Source: Wikipedia. And there you have it.

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Re: The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2009, 08:49:26 pm »
Ok hows this? I don't agree with his policies regarding segregation, neo Confederacy, and the treatment of gays?

I mean do I really need to explain why I am against Neo Nazi's?

That would be like being called out for ad hominem for calling Obama a liberal, I think we all know why I wouldn't vote for a liberal.
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Re: The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2009, 09:44:45 pm »
It means that whether it is a morally-upright christian who says "This apple is red" or a vicious raper/murder who says "This apple is read", the apple is still red.

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Re: The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2009, 10:36:03 pm »
Likewise, only a Nazi would write this

http://www.tnr.com/downloads/sponraceterrorism.pdf

The apple is indeed red. Whether red is good, or bad is entirely up to the individual.
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Re: The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2009, 11:40:23 pm »
The apple is having a problem downloading.

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Re: The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2009, 10:14:47 am »
that explains why you don't believe it.
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Re: The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2009, 05:37:16 pm »
I'm an anti-globalist, I wasn't aware that made me a racist neonazi.

It is entirely plausible the congressman didn't know what was going on with his newsletter, he's an extremely busy politician. Furthermore, simliar outrageous statements can be found in other congress people's news letters that they have no part in writing.

It's a typical practice in Congress to have a staff to write your newsletter for you, and that's exactly what happened here. That is unless you can show some direct evidence of Paul being racist... i.e. quoting him making a racist statement, showing him voting for a racist policy, ect...

For the record, I also don't believe Obama knew what right was saying his church he wasn't a regular attendee and i don't even think he payed attention during services given his lackadaisical attitude towards Christian doctrine. Not that I think that is a bad thing.

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Re: The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2009, 05:43:42 pm »
Straw man, I never said being anti globalism makes you racist, I said racists have co-opted the anti globalist movement.

And I seriously have trouble believing Ron Paul, and Barack Obama were totally in the dark. I may think they are idiots, but even I don't think they are that clueless.
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