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The new face of the neo Nazi movment.
Giuliano Taverna:
That about sums it up, I'm sure your thinking no. Of course the free thinking maverick republican who supports small government and traditional conservative values could possible be a racist...
However, take a closer look.
Who ever wrote the Ron Paul newsletter... was Obviously a neo nazi. And I really don't take arguments that Pauly boy had nothing to do with the newsletter that bore his name for 30 years seriously. That's like saying Obama didn't know Wright was a lunatic. Unless you are a cult of personality stooge, you have to face the facts about the GOP's crazy uncle.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=74978161-f730-43a2-91c3-de262573a129
As I expounded on in my pro central bank topic the "end the fed" arguments are based on a set of lies.
http://giulianosforum.createaforum.com/debate/central-banking/
What I didn't say was the lies are based on anti globalism. Now ask yourself, what group is against cultures, races, and peoples becoming more alike, mixing with eachother... Well what group was and is against inter racial marriage?
I think we can hit the same conclusion. Nazi's since Ernst Zundel and Dave Duke have gone on tirades about Der Jew and the evil banking conspiracy. The Rothschild... always the Rothschild...
http://skepdic.com/illuminati.html
Anyway the difference is now the Nazi's drop Jew and just manipulate populists anger against rich people, to target Jewish bankers, and by association Jews. they have hijacked libertarianism, they have also hijacked the conspiracy click, and the anti war click. Specially the pro Palestine lobby.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/alliance/alliance20.html
So always remember, when you hear the demagogue shout down the evil banker, check to see how many of those bankers just happen to be Jewish, then check out this guy's history. If a ton of his supporters are Nazi's, and you find an old newsletter where he calls MLK a ****, He just might be a racist...
Alia:
Ad hominem.
The fact is, globalism is a scary concept no matter what. Any reasonable person would like the idea that if a country becomes completely corrupt, there are other countries. You don't even need race to make the argument that individual cultures ought to be allowed to keep their individual values. It is good that the French are different and separate from the English.
I freely admit that I'm a racist but that has very little to do with my problems with globalism. I think it leads to global slavery. And if the bankers getting bailed out by the government because they were greedy and intentionally pushed through bad mortgages were white - some *gasp* actually are - I would and do have just as much against them. Here I must even admit that Jews do not engage in such behaviour any more than whites do.
I hate people who make the argument that just because someone is a racist, everything they say is garbage. Ron Paul isn't even a racist, first of all. And secondly, why does it matter that the person who wrote the Ron Paul newsletter was? I want a clear answer: Why does it matter?
Why does it matter that Joe Random Libertarian or Bob Random Pro-Palestine might be a racist? He might be a redneck. But I don't expect that would be any argument against him. Perhaps they are racist because of those issues, rather than simply taking up issues that support racism. I want a clear answer: Why does it matter?
I wouldn't expect whether someone is a racist or not to be able to raise or destroy their other viewpoints. Just as I wouldn't expect the question of whether someone is a paedophile or not to be able to besmirch all that they have done for the benefit of mankind.
What problem do you have addressing the issues themselves instead of the values of the supporters of the side you oppose? If they have no reasons other than petty racism for their views, it will certainly come out in their discourse.
Giuliano Taverna:
Did you read the Ron Paul newsletter? Its not an ad holmium if its true. And I'm not making a pro globalism, Israel, or anti libertarian point here. I'm merely pointing out a real and disturbing phenomenon. White supremacists have infiltrated the libertarian, pro Palestine, and anti globalism movement.
And alia you should know full well that I do respect the opinions of racists, since you are one.
I'm so anti discrimination that I don't even discriminate against you, when according to the rules of PCness I'm supposed to.
I do however discriminate against one group... conspiracy theorists, only because they annoy me.
Alia:
It is still Ad Hominem if true. You cannot use one view a person or group holds in order to discredit all the other views. The rules of Logic dictate that each argument or viewpoint ought to be taken individually on its merits alone, and not on the basis of the individual putting it forward, no matter who or what he may be.
Politics is blind to Logic, unfortunately, and my dear Gaius seems to be becoming quite the Politician.
Giuliano Taverna:
Ok, so am I supposed to ignore the fact that he is a closet neo nazi? That's kind of the point of this topic. I mean I'm not anti libertarian, I'm just anti "the sky is falling because the evil Jews are making it fall" people.
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