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Giuliano Taverna

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White mans relief.
« on: June 24, 2009, 08:54:38 am »
White mans relief.

by Giuliano Taverna

In this new era of cultural tolerance we in the western world feel obligated to accommodate the cultural sensibilities of foreigners.  This is a great improvement over the tragic history of western imperialism and the imposition of Christianity and free trade by such empires as Great Brittan. However to what extent can we tolerate disgusting acts of barbarism under the mantel of cultural tolerance?

A lot of criticism of the war on terror has been focused on the desire by some people to impose western traditions on the local populous. What does this mean? I agree that attempting to use they war to facilitate religious conversion to Christianity is an extremist position that is indefensible and held by a few people with no influence on policy.  But what about things that aren’t objectively bad? Things like responsive democratically elected government, human rights, and civil liberties?

Again many people would say its not our business, that if the people of Iraq want to live under Saddam we had no right to depose him... I suppose these people believe Saddam was an elected head of state in a democracy, and believe the people of Iraq liked living under a sadomasochistic serial killer.

I however have a question for these people. If we recognize the right of states with a specific culture to do whatever they want. Then shouldn’t we have not apposed the confederacy in the civil war? The south has its own unique culture and it was part of their culture to brutally oppress and exploit Africans, just like its part of the culture in say Afghanistan for women to be brutally oppressed and exploited, what’s wrong with that? I mean we have to be culturally tolerant don’t we?

Lets end this paternalistic “white mans burden” attitude and let the south secede and reinstate slavery if they so chose. lets allow Texas to make being gay a capital offense. Lets allow Kansas to burn non Christians at the stake. Lets even allow Hawaii to throw virgins into their volcano. What right do we as liberal democratic republican capitalist westerners, have to impose our views on others? Lets replace white mans burden with white mans relief and let anyone do whatever they want, to who ever they want, anywhere they want!
"It is the duty of a good shepherd to shear his sheep, not to skin them." Tiberius Caesar

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Re: White mans relief.
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2009, 01:37:35 pm »
What you don't understand is that the maxim is this: Respect other cultures.

As far as the Confederacy, I believe the reason to oppose them was as much to do with wanting a unified America as any ideological reasons. Allow every splinter to shard away and soon there will be no tree left. Obviously one large country is stronger than two half-sized countries.

And no, it really isn't any of our business what other cultures do in their own land. It's not our business if newly instated male lion Pride Leaders kill the cubs either. Maybe those poor little lion kittens don't want to be killed, and maybe it would be more beneficial to Lion Society if the males that take over a Pride left at least the female cubs alive for them to mate with later, and maybe it would reduce inbreeding and build stronger Prides. But, in the end, it's not up to us to interfere.

And the reason is this: If another culture falls by its own machinations, that is evolution. But if we are wrong, and we cause them to fall by our interference, that is anti-Darwinistic, and what's more, it's wrong. You know that more often than not, interference at least fails to build a better system, and at worst causes the demise of a working one.

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Re: White mans relief.
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2009, 09:51:38 am »
logic overthrows culture.  culture has a pact with nature.  logic has it's way for a while, until it's BORING.  nature sweeps in, helps whoop logic.   Culture rules again.  The point is, white slaves work as hard as a black slaves.  It all depends on who's doing the slaving.   

The white man's relief happened with media coverage and tv and the equality of man and woman, both of which make a very good attempt at creating opportunities and stopping harrassment.  They fail because it allowed a cultural dissolution among many lines that had been established for many generations; they specifically helped to scaricify rural communites of their most precious commodity, the people whom make up their culture, to assimilate with the heathen city ways of life.   




 
 

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Re: White mans relief.
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2009, 03:38:50 pm »
It appears people still subscribe to the ideology that logic will doctrine through the assumption that other people are logical too, or it will fail. What needs to be understood is that logic can see a failure, an endless struggle, a sick cycle, and bypass it.

The contradiction, similar to the ideology of tolerance and free speech, being good and creating a global understanding of a common purpose is impossible.

When your desired perfect outcome cannot be achieved, you must simply look for the most beneficial solution, which would be isolation. You cannot save everyone, nor can you enforce your ideologies of morality and still claim to follow freedom and understanding, and you certainly cannot claim logic to follow the track of a contradiction.

Please do not claim morality and logic to be the same, as morality will sacrifice and save as logic will strive and thrive in a way that will not destroy itself.



I've decided I will begin putting more effort into my points, as I'm tired of logic being prostituted.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2009, 07:19:31 pm by Nin »

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Re: White mans relief.
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2009, 07:36:03 pm »
What a wonderful, well-illustrated and irrefutable diagram of the conflict between ruinous, doctrinaire Good and beneficial Evil.