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I could have a competition with Sandy about who hates religion more. I might even win. But I still understand that a lot of the waning morality in the world comes from people who have had to be brainwashed into being moral: The Religious.

And I wouldn't allow anyone to have marriages that go against the laws of the country. Again, nothing like "beating your wife is acceptable" or "you may **** her". But allowing for more than one definition of marriage is a logical step, I think.


I doubt you could beat me in the religious hatred department, that's something I'm rather proficient at.

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So you want a balkanized America?

A strong culture and sense of community is critical to national survival. Without that, anarchy and sectarian violence is highly likely.

Historically, the collapse of communal groups, and the rejection of cultural values have always lead to the decline of nations. Persia, Athens, Sparta, Rome, Brittan, and now America.

I would like to know how you would maintain order and stability with the collapse of family, community, and social bodies. What you are proposing sounds to me like social anarchy.
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So you want a balkanized America?

A strong culture and sense of community is critical to national survival. Without that, anarchy and sectarian violence is highly likely.

Historically, the collapse of communal groups, and the rejection of cultural values have always lead to the decline of nations. Persia, Athens, Sparta, Rome, Brittan, and now America.

I would like to know how you would maintain order an
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So you want a balkanized America? A strong culture and sense of community is critical to national survival. Without that, anarchy and sectarian violence is highly likely. Historically, the collapse of communal groups, and the rejection of cultural values have always lead to the decline of nations. Persia, Athens, Sparta, Rome, Brittan, and now America. I would like to know how you would maintain order and stability with the collapse of family, community, and social bodies. What you are proposing sounds to me like social anarchy.
+ Additional Options...#msg353 date=1241542616] So you want a balkanized America? A strong culture and sense of community is critical to national survival. Without that, anarchy and sectarian violence is highly likely. Historically, the collapse of communal groups, and the rejection of cultural values have always lead to the decline of nations. Persia, Athens, Sparta, Rome, Brittan, and now America. I would like to know how you would maintain order and stability with the collapse of family, community, and social bodies. What you are proposing sounds to me like social anarchy.
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It caused the collapse of those nations because they existed before the modern era where we are bound by more practical things such as national identity, economic interdependence, political protection of rights, ect.

I suppose you could argue these things constitute the new American culture, but I don't really think of them as such personally. I would say they do however, serve as a more practical and useful alternative to a strong national culture (which is often responsible for racist hatred which I know you are against).

I want a society in which the individual does not bow before societal or cultural pressures and "controls" without just logical reason.

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So you want philosophical institutions to replace religious and cultural ones? Well that could work. but you would need to pick a philosophy, and devote resources into creating centers where it can be taught, and from where people can be recruited to go out and spread their philosophy the way the ancient Greeks did with their schools of philosophy.

You can't just do nothing, an expect your preferred philosophical inclination to become dominant or even remain dominant if you think it already is, which I would say it is not.

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I doubt you could beat me in the religious hatred department, that's something I'm rather proficient at.

Oh yeah? I think Christianity is a slave religion and the Bible is a book with two volumes, Masters Read Here and Slaves Read Here. The submissive, walk-all-over-me morality is proof. Forgiveness, turn the other cheek, and more forgiveness. I can't describe how despicable and unreasonable that is, and there's no one I have more sympathy for than the rare Christian who truly is following his heart and is thwarted again and again by his own slave morality and his religious superiors who tout the need to be forgiven and the uncleanliness of the Human soul no matter the effort.

The second thing I can't stand is the moral superiority. I nearly rammed someone's car because it sported a bumper sticker that boasted, "Christians, not perfect, just forgiven". The vast majority only join the religion in the first place in order to lord their moral superiority over others and place themselves above "heathens" like me. Yeah, you're Good, I'm Evil, I get it. But I would never complain that someone isn't Evil enough, or that they're not getting into Hell because they don't do this, or that. In short, Religion: An excuse to boss people around.

They think that just because being gay is morally wrong (whether that's true or not is another story) that their Religion gives them the authority to take action against it. Unless someone is actually, directly harming others with their behaviour, I say there is no such authority. If I happen to think something is wrong, that just means I don't do it. I am a Human Being with Human flaws, and though I try very hard to do the correct thing dictated by my philosophy, any doctrine is difficult to follow and I slip, ask Nin. So if I do wrong myself, what right do I have to tell others they have no right to do wrong? None. But apparently these Christians are without sin, because they sure cast a lot of stones. "Oh, we're saving his soul." say they. No, they're not, because if force could so save, what is the point of Free Will and the struggle to make the right choice onesself? Religion is a defunct bully of the highest degree that sucks up money like a Charity, provides little services, and sells the biggest scam of all time: Hope.

And if that's not enough, ask any of my closest friends about the Cake.
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