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Posted by: Giuliano Taverna
« on: May 13, 2009, 08:13:26 pm »

for 30 years... without Paul lifting a finger or uttering a word in condemnation of it... sure... that's believable.

It is given the convoluted structure and practices that take place in Washington.

And no one would have ever mentioned this to him? For that to be true, his entire campaign staff would have to be complicit in it. Then that raises questions about Ron's Competence, he doesn't realize his staff are all Neo Nazis... I'd prefer to assume he himself is one, because that's more plausible.

If it aired for a month when he was famous that would be one things, but for 30 years when he was a nobody, no dice.
Posted by: SandStone
« on: May 05, 2009, 11:07:53 am »

for 30 years... without Paul lifting a finger or uttering a word in condemnation of it... sure... that's believable.

It is given the convoluted structure and practices that take place in Washington.
Posted by: Giuliano Taverna
« on: May 03, 2009, 08:41:24 pm »

for 30 years... without Paul lifting a finger or uttering a word in condemnation of it... sure... that's believable.
Posted by: Alia
« on: May 03, 2009, 08:32:27 pm »

For all we know that man was paid by those seeking to destroy Ron Paul, to write whatever it was he wrote.
Posted by: SandStone
« on: May 03, 2009, 06:57:16 pm »

Circumstantial or not, are you really going to tell me this newsletter was distributed by Ron Paul's staff for 30 years and he had no idea this was going on the entire time?

Sorry I don't buy that for a second.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, and whether you believe it or not does not make it hard evidence of racism. It's still circumstantial which means it doesn't really prove anything.
Posted by: Giuliano Taverna
« on: May 03, 2009, 06:44:24 pm »

Circumstantial or not, are you really going to tell me this newsletter was distributed by Ron Paul's staff for 30 years and he had no idea this was going on the entire time?

Sorry I don't buy that for a second.
Posted by: Alia
« on: May 03, 2009, 06:37:34 pm »

I'm going to agree with Sandy here.
Posted by: SandStone
« on: May 03, 2009, 06:31:21 pm »

Straw man, I never said being anti globalism makes you racist, I said racists have co-opted the anti globalist movement.

And I seriously have trouble believing Ron Paul, and Barack Obama were totally in the dark. I may think they are idiots, but even I don't think they are that clueless.

Regardless of whether you believe them or not it's still completely circumstantial evidence. My point was you need something a bit more substantial and direct to prove serious allegations such as racism.
Posted by: Giuliano Taverna
« on: May 03, 2009, 05:43:42 pm »

Straw man, I never said being anti globalism makes you racist, I said racists have co-opted the anti globalist movement.

And I seriously have trouble believing Ron Paul, and Barack Obama were totally in the dark. I may think they are idiots, but even I don't think they are that clueless.
Posted by: SandStone
« on: May 03, 2009, 05:37:16 pm »

I'm an anti-globalist, I wasn't aware that made me a racist neonazi.

It is entirely plausible the congressman didn't know what was going on with his newsletter, he's an extremely busy politician. Furthermore, simliar outrageous statements can be found in other congress people's news letters that they have no part in writing.

It's a typical practice in Congress to have a staff to write your newsletter for you, and that's exactly what happened here. That is unless you can show some direct evidence of Paul being racist... i.e. quoting him making a racist statement, showing him voting for a racist policy, ect...

For the record, I also don't believe Obama knew what right was saying his church he wasn't a regular attendee and i don't even think he payed attention during services given his lackadaisical attitude towards Christian doctrine. Not that I think that is a bad thing.
Posted by: Giuliano Taverna
« on: May 02, 2009, 10:14:47 am »

that explains why you don't believe it.
Posted by: Alia
« on: May 01, 2009, 11:40:23 pm »

The apple is having a problem downloading.
Posted by: Giuliano Taverna
« on: May 01, 2009, 10:36:03 pm »

Likewise, only a Nazi would write this

http://www.tnr.com/downloads/sponraceterrorism.pdf

The apple is indeed red. Whether red is good, or bad is entirely up to the individual.
Posted by: Nin
« on: May 01, 2009, 09:44:45 pm »

It means that whether it is a morally-upright christian who says "This apple is red" or a vicious raper/murder who says "This apple is read", the apple is still red.
Posted by: Giuliano Taverna
« on: May 01, 2009, 08:49:26 pm »

Ok hows this? I don't agree with his policies regarding segregation, neo Confederacy, and the treatment of gays?

I mean do I really need to explain why I am against Neo Nazi's?

That would be like being called out for ad hominem for calling Obama a liberal, I think we all know why I wouldn't vote for a liberal.