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Posted by: Giuliano Taverna
« on: June 25, 2009, 02:10:24 pm »

Nothing will make me believe in being totally indiscriminate.
Posted by: Alia
« on: June 25, 2009, 01:41:27 pm »

You probably would if you were a policeman and not having such a label was the difference between keeping your job and being in danger of losing it.
Posted by: Giuliano Taverna
« on: June 25, 2009, 12:40:51 pm »

He's pointing out that in PC society, you can't do that, or such a label will be applied to you.

Am I supposed to care?
Posted by: Alia
« on: June 25, 2009, 09:14:43 am »

He's pointing out that in PC society, you can't do that, or such a label will be applied to you.
Posted by: Giuliano Taverna
« on: June 24, 2009, 06:43:41 pm »

what are you talking about?
Posted by: Nin
« on: June 24, 2009, 04:46:32 pm »

What behavior? The disproportionate number of Muslims who are Islamic fundamentalists, or the way the liberal morons in Brittan are trying to placate the Radical Imams and their own self hatred and white guilt by searching Anglo Saxons?

The way I see it, its very simple. If you are concerned about Islamic fundamentalists, you don't check Christians, if you are concerned about right wing militias, you don't check liberals, if you are concerned about eco terrorists you don't check Asians, ect ect.


I'd also like to point out a lot of terrorists are white Muslim converts, like the shoe bomber Richard Reid.

You racist scum!
Posted by: Giuliano Taverna
« on: June 24, 2009, 09:03:24 am »

What behavior? The disproportionate number of Muslims who are Islamic fundamentalists, or the way the liberal morons in Brittan are trying to placate the Radical Imams and their own self hatred and white guilt by searching Anglo Saxons?

The way I see it, its very simple. If you are concerned about Islamic fundamentalists, you don't check Christians, if you are concerned about right wing militias, you don't check liberals, if you are concerned about eco terrorists you don't check Asians, ect ect.

I'd also like to point out a lot of terrorists are white Muslim converts, like the shoe bomber Richard Reid.
Posted by: Nin
« on: June 23, 2009, 09:39:49 pm »

What Gaius just isn't getting is that the disproprtionality must be unjust if you assume that all races are equal.

And thinking otherwise is criminal, therefore in any sane thinking, the disproportionality was unjust.


That is an absurd leap in logic. And it ignores cultural factors that encourage negative behavior in communities.

Mine is nothing more than a behavioral observation, Alia's is an explanation of the behavior. How do you apply flawless logic to the illogical? And if what she says is false, what is the explanation for this behavior?
Posted by: Giuliano Taverna
« on: June 23, 2009, 08:01:09 pm »

What Gaius just isn't getting is that the disproprtionality must be unjust if you assume that all races are equal.

And thinking otherwise is criminal, therefore in any sane thinking, the disproportionality was unjust.


That is an absurd leap in logic. And it ignores cultural factors that encourage negative behavior in communities.
Posted by: Alia
« on: June 23, 2009, 06:14:59 pm »

What Gaius just isn't getting is that the disproprtionality must be unjust if you assume that all races are equal.

And thinking otherwise is criminal, therefore in any sane thinking, the disproportionality was unjust.
Posted by: Nin
« on: June 23, 2009, 05:40:35 pm »

Except we don't know that Muslims were targeted unjustly. Sufficient evidence was not presented.

That doesn't matter. People are so obsessed with races being equal they will deny any race being different, even if true, and blame any inequality on racism, even if the actions are of the own race's fault.
Posted by: Alia
« on: June 23, 2009, 10:49:46 am »

Then let me explain the evidense in simple, logical terms.

• There is no difference or inequality in percent of Muslim terrorists and percent of White terrorists. (This is a Truth, you cannot dispute it.)
• There is a difference and inequality that is skewed in favour of whites in the number of individuals stop-searched on suspicion of terrorism.
__________
∴ The number of stop-searches is racially biased against Muslims.
Posted by: Giuliano Taverna
« on: June 22, 2009, 12:28:19 am »

Except we don't know that Muslims were targeted unjustly. Sufficient evidence was not presented.
Posted by: Alia
« on: June 21, 2009, 11:04:41 pm »

Those policemen are only doing what is logical to protect themselves against allegations of prejudice that would certainly cost them their jobs.

Fair is fair. If you believe that there are no inherent differences between races - in other words, that ethnic Muslims are no more likely to be terrorists - then there is no excuse to stop proportionately more Muslims except unfair prejudice.
Posted by: Giuliano Taverna
« on: June 21, 2009, 09:35:03 pm »

I'm not even mildly surprised, the UK under Gordon Brown is probably to the left of Obama's America.

They put Michael Savage on a list including Islamic fundamentalists and Neo Nazis, anything to appease the special interests which demand social and economic equality, at any cost.

Jon Bull is long dead...

When it comes to equality, all men are created equal and should be treated equally under the law. But if someone has committed no criminal action and there is no plausible reason to believe he or she did, or may, then you don't perform searches. If it turns out the number of people who commit crimes shows a statistical anomaly that favors one group or another. You investigate the rational behind the people who were searched, you don't arbitrarily decide to even it out by searching random people from another statistical category.

I think most people would agree with that.