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Site News / I'm sick of spam...
« on: October 07, 2010, 10:37:11 pm »
If it weren't bad enough that this forum has been dead for months do to a general lack of interest from myself, and everyone who joined at its inception. I spent the last 10 minutes deleting spammers.

I'm pretty sure I only killed the slime who joined to make some pathetic amount of money at the expense of nothing save my name, which is a capital offense in and of itself, but if I didn't then that's a shame.

I'd delete this forum if I didn't think I might need it again at some point.

Essays / To those so made that they must believe
« on: April 09, 2010, 07:35:03 pm »
To those so made that they must believe,  from an infidel with no desire to deceive.

I would like to address not the undecided agnostics, secular relativists, and casual church goers of whom no interest is likely to be taken but rather those who genuinely believe in a higher power interested in the way in which we as humans live. Those of which it can be said, the mere suggestion of empiricism causes sheer offense and moral outrage. Let me attempt to explain the position of the infidel.

You must first understand how arrogant you seem to us. Surly unintended and yet delivered is the notion that you have been privy to profound concepts of which we have not. We who in the tradition of Socrates claim ignorance as our first and only ornament and in the tradition of Sir Francis Bacon hold ourselves to the scientific method which requires the constant testing of thorium by experimentation.

We do not claim with the same degree of certainty or finality that for example the earth is held to its orbit around the sun by the force of gravity, as you must hold if you are Christian the immaculate conception, death, and resurrection of the risen lord Jesus Christ, or if you are a Muslim the authenticity and integrity of the holy Quran as revealed by the arch angle Gabriel to the prophet Mohammad, (I would at this moment like to credit Muslims for avoiding the extra level of fatuity incurred by Christians when they deified their prophet.) While we accept that based on the available evidence, mathematic formulae, and every test and experiment rendered, gravity is the most likely of the available explanations and can thus be accepted for common consumption as fact. Gravity however remains scientifically “only a theory” which may in some unforeseen turn of events turn out to be false or partially flawed in the distant future, (the ability to discover that being ingrained into the aforementioned method.)

Coming from this perspective the concept of revealed wisdom and absolute unalterable truth is not just wrong to us; it’s the closest we can come to the experiences you must be familiar with of blasphemy, hubris, and offense. What you say offends the core of our reality and existence, it challenges the fundamental basis for the way in which we see the world. Unlike you who must draw your evidence from your conclusion, (the basic definition of circular logic which is not logic at all but a fallacy) we have the burden of proof on our side.  We consider it offensive for you to even make the suggestion that our positions are equal and deserve to be treated as such, let alone the suggestion you must make that you are superior to us, and that as a function of our intellectual integrity you have the privilege of eternal life, and we are dammed to eternal torment.

On the subject of morality and the integrity of the mind and of consciousness, we infidels are offended and outraged at the crude way the parties of god phrase our concept of materialism. Spoken in terms of “what basis do you have for morality if you are just a bunch of chemicals.” I’m left myself asking, how you dare mock the profound beauty and majesty of the material universe, the endless complexity of life descending from a point of infinite simplicity, the laws which are almost miraculous precisely because there are no miracles and no suspensions or inconsistencies within said laws.

Indeed it’s gone further, I personally have had my principles directly challenged in the most base and desperate way and been asked, “Can you honestly look at yourself in the mirror and say that your great intellect is simply the work of carbon and chemicals?” What arrogance, sophistry, ignorance, and pure hubris could possible bring someone to state such an open assault on the very basis of objective truth? My great intellect is the result of the human brain, a thing of such incredible complexity and majesty that we have yet to understand one tenth of its functionality.  It is a construct that took millions of years to evolve, and that we couldn’t come close to replicating with all our modern technology. To mock the fact that it is made up of carbon and chemicals, as if these causal agents are not capable of producing the effects that they would attribute to a soul. The soul, a construct that is totally primitive, base, and uncouth by contrast. A construct which they could not describe, and about which they couldn’t even profess a concrete concept of except to state that it somehow does the work we attribute to the brain without any of the substance and complexity that the brain posses.  I’m left to wonder, do you who follow the precepts of faith realize how utterly rude, crude, and condescending you are?

You must also remember that we never say in absolute terms that there is no god. To state anything with certainty is the province of faith, which we reject. We do not say there is no god, only that there is no reason to believe in a god. We are not agnostics who seem iffy on the proposition in general. We assert that as with anything evidence of must be established for belief in. We don’t accept gravity because we want to; because it’s our tradition to, because it makes our parents happy, because we think it helps us live a better life, because we are afraid of death, or because we seek paradise. We accept gravity on the basis of evidence. There is not a shred of evidence to support the existence of any man made view of god, or indeed any possible concept of a deity therefore we hold it to be as likely as any myth from the tooth fairy to the possibility that a tea cup could be in orbit around Jupiter. For us the cargo cult of John Frum on the island of Vanuatu is as probable as the divinity of Christ, the integrity of the Koran, the holiness of the Torah, or the teachings of the Buddha, or even the gods of old. We hold all religions equally false, often for the same reasons different faiths hold each other false. In a sense we are all atheists because we all have religions about which we take the atheist position. In deed no one is more certain of the untruth in the divinity of Jesus than a follower of the prophet Mohammad. An atheist for reasons already explained can’t state with certainty that Jesus was not the son of god, but a Muslim not only can, a Muslim does, and vice versa.

Finally bear in mind that we do have morals, indeed that morality and human solidarity are necessarily innate to human beings. No society that has ever existed has allowed theft, ****, perjury, or any of the other injunctions claimed by the religious as their mandate. To ask the fatuous question “what chemical causes love” is to attempt to mock what should be revered. The fact that by an extremely complex and wondrous system we have ingrained onto our minds and bodies the principles’ necessary to be social animals. One may as well ask what makes cows travel in herds, and what makes wolves hunt in packs. What keeps the Alfa wolf at the head, and why the omega wolf never just refuses to follow him? To ask what objective basis I have for moral truths, without the belief in god is to assume that without god, all is permitted. If that were true, then how did we survive before the given religion we are talking about came into existence? How do animals who can’t comprehend religion survive? These are questions that only exist as unanswerable if you accept the proposition of god, without god, these problems don’t exist to be solved.

Finally I have to say that if any offense was rendered herein, I cannot be asked to apologize. We as followers of the materialistic tradition worship at only one alter, the alter of truth. I will not apologize for stating openly my theory, in fact I would consider it wrong of me to deny you or anyone the possible benefit of that point, (whether correct or not.) I know you must consider my tone harsh and my comments blasphemous. There truly is no polite way to question the validity of faith without challenging the core of the faithful. Just as you cannot challenge my adherence to empiricism and rationalism without offending me, I cannot challenge your faith without offending you. However I did not write this that I might be spared your words, nor did I write it to enjoin the pity of my comrades. It is because I follow the path of reason and science that I welcome all attacks, and encourage critique. I do this so that I can be tested, have my ideas refined, and am that much more certain of my stance.

I ask only this of you, so made that you must believe,
understand the infidel unwilling to deceive,
for I must tell the truth regardless of where that might lead.
Matter made, no divine assistance doth my mind require
So question not the atheism to which you too may aspire
please spare me the aforementioned moans
For I’ve shown them to be nothing more than senseless groans
Devise as it were, knew methods of attack
Or please do kindly be, less taken aback
When I claim of you, the intent to deceive
All of us, that we might believe.

Credit and thanks to Rachel for permitting the use of her words in spite of the context.

Essays / Hegemony in mid Asia.
« on: January 29, 2010, 03:06:23 pm »
Much talk but little real consideration has been vested in the considerable problem of long term stability in the Middle East. Most parties find themselves in agreement regarding the long term goals, but fervent disagreement on how best to reach them. Factoring into the equation the current deficits regarding both capital, resources, and manpower as well as the political considerations I will endeavor to draw forth a path to a modernized unified and benevolent middle east in which the west may find a kindred spirit and ally that is capable of meeting the needs of its own citizens.

Halting the decline

Currently economic and moral deficits hamper the attempts by the current administration to broaden the front against jihad to include the known havens in Somalia and Yemen as well as those in Pakistan and northern Afghanistan. The first step to peace in the region is for the primary implement of action, ie the American armed forces to have at its disposal immense capital and human resources to be expended willingly with the consent of the people. Therefore this necessitates the establishment of a booming domestic economy with a strong industrial base capable of producing the implements of war.

To accomplish an economic recovery the deficits in the current system must be addressed, the financial sector must be purged of wrong doing by way of intense scrutiny by law enforcement with resourced devoted to rooting out fraud, embezzlement and other forms of white collar crime, these individuals once found guilty in keeping with legal standard should have their assets seized and used to finance the economic recovery. This purging should extend to all major corporations, hedge funds, banking firms, and insurance companies so as to restore popular confidence in the capitalist system and prevent further loss of capital to criminal activity.
After the financial sector is stabilized and cleansed, consideration should be given to the nations crumbling infrastructure. All methods of water distribution, sewage treatment, sanitation, and transportation both public and privet should be modernized and brought to a standard that meets the needs of all citizens with reasonable redundancy while adhering to the strictest environmental and safety standards so that our institutions are built on a sustainable and ethical platform that will remain for generations to come. Once this has been achieved laws should be enacted mandating constant inspection and maintenance of all institutions to ensure we never again fall to the deplorable depths we have sunk.

Once the basis of any state is met, (its civil infrastructure) we must turn to industry and manufacturing, the bane of neo liberal thinkers everywhere. While many would claim we live in a post industrial society the inconvenient truth remains that we have a working class in America that both desires and requires jobs in the traditional industrial sectors of the economy. More over a diverse economy is a stable economy and having an industrial base will allow our more modern pursuits a stable foundation on which to grow with some minor insulation from the fluctuations of global markets. This can and should be accomplished by first focusing on the core of industry, energy, food, and markets. The government should invest in new solar, wind, tidal, and nuclear plants in a nationwide program designed to lower the cost of energy by drastically increasing the supply. This will have the duel effect of putting thousands of Americans back to work, and incentivizing individuals and business to expand now free of the undue burden of high energy costs. It will also have a positive effect on the environment and offset the cost of environmental action regarding climate change. Next we must turn to agriculture; our primary aim should be to expand local agriculture to limit our dependency on key crops at centralized locations such as those in California. In addition to improving general nutrition by providing locally grown and thus fully ripened fresh food, we will also be able to expand our export markets and begin to alleviate the very serious problem of world hunger, which in regards to the political question of Somalia is a pressing issue. Once those issues are addressed we must focus on establishing markets for these goods and favorable trade agreements that will allow American manufacturing to grow. Our chief problem is maintaining free trade agreements with nations that treat their working class little better than chattel slaves, unionization of labor, mandated safety, environmental, and wage standards should be encouraged to level the playing field. This will mean an increase in the cost of goods, but also an increase in wages, thus people in general will be able to keep to the rate of inflation with their rising salaries rather than find them unable to purchase artificially deflated goods as a function of either having a poor job or no job at all. This method is a sound successor to the rightfully discredited practice of protectionism which only serves to encourage mediocrity at home and animosity abroad. Once these matters are addressed we should then move to make the domestic environment favorable to manufacturing by streamlining approval procedures, and easing costs associated with starting and maintaining a business. This being a fair and universal alternative to the outdated notion of subsidy which serves to make success in business a function of effective lobbying and not a superior business model.

The enemy within,

Now once the domestic economy is in a stable state we must turn to the moral question, domestic extremist groups should be investigated and anti American cults like the Lew Rockwell institute and the LaRouchePAC as well as neo nazi, racist, and Marxist organizations should be broken up along the traditional lines used to tackle the mafia and other criminal organizations. These groups disseminate slanderous propaganda and engage in practices that warrant scrutiny and any wrong doing found should be pursued. If none be found then class action lawsuits attacking them for libel, and fighting words should be organized and encouraged with the explicit purpose of limiting dissent to only factually correct and responsible criticism of policy and not totally fictitious and radical conspiracy theories.

Building a coalition

When both moral and capital are available we must next recruit allies in the region and throughout the world. We should only ally ourselves with secular democratic countries and movements whose reputation and sincerity are not questionable and whose motives conform to the notion of a fair deal for the people of mid Asia. We should reach out to west Europe, particularly the UK, Spain, France, Italy, Germany, and the Nordic countries. Who while faced with the same threat from Islamic fundamentalism as we are, tend to be less than forthcoming in support as well as lacking necessary conviction to the cause. This can be reversed by clarifying our intentions to the people of west Europe and disseminating the ideals of democracy, secularism, and resistance to tyranny and theocracy that are the bulwark of the global war against Islamic theocracy. We must also relive ourselves of inconsistencies by abandoning the tyrants in Egypt and Saudi Arabia who’s tacit support is neither helpful nor indeed genuine. We must also negotiate an agreement between moderate factions in the Palestinian and Israeli establishment to bring an end to messianic settlement and intifada as well as a general recognition of both states; this can only be accomplished by rejecting and marginalizing the hard-line factions on both sides, forcibly if necessary. We should then strive to make a friend of Marxist, secularist, feminist, LGBT, and minority movements and groups within the Middle East who have everything to gain from a secularization of the region. At present these groups are either uninvolved with the fight, unthanked and unwelcomed allies, or even opponents on the basis of distrust and suspicion. This must be reversed and the arming, training, and funding of such movements is in our interest and the interest of the cause as a whole. We should disassociate ourselves from and cleanse corrupt institutions such as the Karzai government in Afghanistan or the Pakistani intelligence service and reach out to alternative support systems such as the tribal alliances in Afghanistan and the Indian government which is after all the world’s most populous secular democracy and is in close geographical proximity to the conflict. Collusion with India however must be tempered with conditions regarding the marginalization of Hindu extremist organizations and a resolution to the Kashmiri question which is a source of continued conflict between the two former of the 3 ethnic Indian states, (Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh.) The execution of that process should be determined by the majority opinion of the residents of the contested region with arbitration provided by disinterested parties only after peace and security is established to prevent coercion by extremist factions. A new deal specifically for the citizens of Pakistan must be established with an economic and political reform that puts them on a more stable footing than they are at present.

The long war

Once the network of international support has been established we must next concern ourselves with the various fronts of the conflict and how to rectify them, those not previously explained in the context of diplomacy will be henceforth addressed.  The key to short term success in Afghanistan lies in eliminating the Taliban, any attempts to attain peace with them or include them into the establishment are folly, they must be extirpated. This is done by locating and eliminating their sanctuaries, tightening security in towns, cities, villages, and along the roads, as well as organizing local militias to defend their own communities along the model Americans first employed in the revolutionary war. Fortifying said villages with basic defenses while seemingly archaic will go some way to defending them against raids from the rather primitive and tribal enemy we are fighting.  Long term success is based almost entirely on economic growth, literacy, and community, which will require acceptance of the opium crop and incorporation of its products in the legal American economy. We can then aid in the industrialization and modernization of agriculture and opiate production, which may be used medicinally or under a fair amount of scrutiny recreationally. This will of course require an end to the fruitless and futile practice of prohibition which is discredited in the minds of most young Americans. In addition to this the processes described in the section regarding the American economy should be applied with the intent of getting Afghans into stable paying jobs and Afghan girls and boys into non religious schools. Once a level of economic and educational progress is met, democracy will be inevitable as well as positive feelings towards the instrumental force behind this new deal for Afghanistan.

Once Afghanistan and Pakistan are secured with a friendly union of Indian states we can turn to dealing with the North African and Arabian states which either require an entire regime of nation building or pressure to reform politically. In Saudi Arabia we have to use our new found leverage on the house of Saud thanks to the aforementioned energy reforms to either have the formation of a parliament with an expansion of rights to women, minorities, and homosexuals, or to have an internal revolution by these disaffected parties that will achieve the desired result. In either case the destruction of and discrediting of the Wahhabi school of Islamic thought should be the primary aim regarding this matter. Madrassas should be replaced with secular schools that teach patriotic liberal values.

In Somalia we have to defeat the local al Qaeda forces and essentially build a state from scratch, the first step is infrastructure and agriculture, once they have food and running water as a bare minimum, then we invest in industry, education throughout will be vital. This same strategy should be applied in Yemen where we will have our work cut out countering the message of the radical clerics and working with tribal leadership to maintain peace and rout out the enemy. 

In Iran we should ally with democratic forces and aid them in their struggle against theocracy in whatever way they wish. Upon successful establishment of a secular democracy we should offer them trade, investment, and all the considerations due a free state.


Then finally after the main trouble spots in the Middle East are stabilized we must bring the various states together to first agree upon trade agreements and immigration policy, then work to establish a federation on the modal of the EU that is more favorable to modern principles than the current Arab league. These agreements will be mediated by disinterested parties with Nato offering to enforce all agreements, finally all members will be offered nato membership and then we should consider renaming and reclassifying nato as a military alliance of secular liberal democracies against totalitarianism, theocracy, and fascism, instead of a north Atlantic alliance against communism. We will adopt a charter that outlaws all forms of discrimination and protects human rights and bind all members to its practice and to war in its defense.

Local News / someone got whacked on my street
« on: January 08, 2010, 08:51:03 pm »
Source, Boston Globe,

CHELSEA -- A man whose bloody body was found discarded head-first in a trash barrel was allegedly stabbed to death by his roommate in a fight fueled by allegations of robbery and a dispute over a woman, authorities said today in court.

The roommate, Marvin Ruano-Garcia, 24, is accused of killing Israel Vasquez in the first-floor apartment they shared at 96 Grove St. Vasquez's body was then stuffed in that brown plastic trash barrel, dragged some 75 feet from down the street, and left. Two women made the gruesome discovery at dawn on Tuesday morning, spotting the man's legs, which had been wrapped in plastic bags and protruded from the trash barrel.

Ruano-Garcia, 24, pleaded not guilty today at his arraignment in Chelsea District Court. Defense attorney John G. Tardif said that his client acted in self defense.

Vasquez was the one who burst into his room in the middle of the night and tried to rob Ruano-Garcia, Tardif said. The two men also had feelings for the same women, he said, and they tussled. During the struggle, Vasquez "fell on his own knife," Tardif said. 
"This was pure self defense," the defense lawyer continued. "No homicide at all."

Rumana-Garcia is an immigrant from Honduras who has a legal permit to work in the United States, Tardif said. He dumped the body in the garbage because he was nervous about not being a US citizen, Tardif said.

Rumana-Garcia is employed as a sausage maker on the North Shore, Tardif said, and he went to work after the killing and told his boss what happened. His boss called police.

Vasquez was the father of five children and had several grandchildren, according to his eldest son, Cleyben Rojas, 27. Rojas said that his father had worked in the produce section at Market Basket in Salem and had lived in the Grove Street apartment for a decade. In the past, Vasquez had gotten along with his roommate, Rojas said, but the two men were not particularly close.

"He didn't deserve to die like that," Rojas said.

This sort of thing happens a lot, however its rare that it makes the news, must have been a particularly gruseome sight. Didn't see it myself, it was freezing that day so I stayed in. The killer and I have never met, my sister thinks he was the scum bag that I told to f-ck off because he was hitting on her. A shame he didn't try to start something with me, the dead guy might be alive if that was the case...

Global / Von Brunn dies in prison
« on: January 06, 2010, 05:05:29 pm »
An elderly white supremacist accused of shooting dead a guard at the U.S. Holocaust Museum in Washington last year died Wednesday in a hospital near the jail where he was being held, a federal prisons official said.

“Authorities at the location where James von Brunn was incarcerated, the federal correctional complex at Butner, North Carolina, told us that he was pronounced dead at a local hospital shortly before 1:00 p.m. today,” Edmond Ross, a spokesman for the Federal Bureau of Prisons, told AFP.

“He had a long history of poor health, which included chronic congestive heart failure and sepsis,” Ross said, although he was unable to state the precise cause of von Brunn’s death.


Good riddance!

Atheism / Reason and belief
« on: December 25, 2009, 12:49:46 am »
Is there a reason to believe in god, or should people even need to have a reason to believe in anything?

Does reason trump instinct and feeling, or is that a mean and unfluffy point of view that will hurt someones feelings?

The Public Forum / recession christmass list.
« on: December 17, 2009, 07:09:45 pm »
Me: underwear, socks, thermals

My sister: new sowing machine

Thank you Obama, now it really feels like FDR is back in office. I remember last years during the Bush administration, I got an xbox 360, 5 games, a black light, 2 pairs of pajamas, and a stocking full of chocolate. We've regressed at least 50 years in 11 months.

Meet the staff / My confusing political ideology
« on: October 19, 2009, 08:41:31 pm »
I took a number of tests, the results were contradictory.


Your PERSONAL issues Score is 60%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 70%.

According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...


CENTRISTS espouse a "middle ground" regarding government control of the economy and personal behavior. Depending on the issue, they sometimes favor government intervention and sometimes support individual freedom of choice.

Centrists pride themselves on keeping an open mind,

tend to oppose "political extremes," and emphasize what

they describe as "practical" solutions to problems.


The Quiz

The following are your scores. They are based on a gradual range of 0 to 12. For instance, a Conservative/Progressive score of 3 and 0 will both yield a result of social conservative, yet 0 would be an extreme conservative and 3 a moderate conservative

Conservative/Progressive score: 6
You are a social moderate. You think the progressive movement is overall well meaning, but sometimes it goes too far. On issues like abortion and affirmative action, you see the negatives of both extremes on the issue. You probably value religion, but at the same time you think it should still stay separate from the government

Capitalist Purist/Social Capitalist score: 8
You are a Moderate Capitalist. You support an economy that is by and large a free market, but has public programs to help people who can't help themselves or need a little help. Pretty much you believe in the American economy how it currently is.

Libertarian/Authoritarian score: 5
You're a Moderate. You think that we all have certain inalienable rights that must be protected, but that sometimes laws need to be made to protect the majority's lives or quality of lives. You might think that the 2nd amendment isn't necessary anymore because letting everyone a gun is extremely dangerous to the community. You might also be against illegal drug use or public pornography because of its possible harmful effects to society.

Pacifist/Militarist score: 12
You're a Militarist. You believe that since the United States has so much power in the world, it has a responsibility to keep the world safe. You think that if the US does not exert its power in the world, it may eventually lose its power, and that we can not look weak in the face of terrorists, and must take them out where they live.

Overall, you would most likely fit into the category of Democrat


Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.26


Where Do You Fit? Your Results


Based on your answers to the questionnaire, you most closely resemble survey respondents within the Liberal typology group. This does not mean that you necessarily fit every group characteristic or agree with the group on all issues.

Liberals represent 17 percent of the American public, and 19 percent of registered voters.

Basic Description
This group has nearly doubled in proportion since 1999, Liberals now comprise the largest share of Democrats and is the single largest of the nine Typology groups. They are the most opposed to an assertive foreign policy, the most secular, and take the most liberal views on social issues such as homosexuality, abortion, and censorship. They differ from other Democratic groups in that they are strongly pro-environment and pro-immigration, issues which are more controversial among Conservative and Disadvantaged Democrats.

Defining Values
Strongest preference for diplomacy over use of military force. Pro-choice, supportive of gay marriage and strongly favor environmental protection. Low participation in religious activities. Most sympathetic of any group to immigrants as well as labor unions, and most opposed to the anti-terrorism Patriot Act.

Who They Are
Most (62%) identify themselves as liberal. Predominantly white (83%), most highly educated group (49% have a college degree or more), and youngest group after Bystanders. Least religious group in typology: 43% report they seldom or never attend religious services; nearly a quarter (22%) are seculars. More than one-third never married (36%). Largest group residing in urban areas (42%) and in the western half the country (34%). Wealthiest Democratic group (41% earn at least $75,000).

Lifestyle Notes
Largest group to have been born (or whose parents were born) outside of the U.S. or Canada (20%). Least likely to report having a gun at home (23%) or attending bible study or prayer group meetings (13%).

2004 Election
Bush 2%, Kerry 81%

Party ID
59% Democrat; 40% Independent/No Preference, 1% Republican (92% Dem/Lean Dem)


Your ideological score is: 245/400 This makes you progressive. The average score for Americans is 209.5

Your true political self:
You are a

Social Conservative
(35% permissive)

and an...

Economic Liberal
(20% permissive)

You are best described as a:


hehehe, just to the left of darth vader

You exhibit a very well-developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in economic fairness.


You Scored as Fascist

Great. You're a fascist. You guys have lost some favor in the past fifty years, but you made some good progress in your time. Too bad you also killed huge groups of people to protect you're ideology. I suppose you can't win 'em all.



You got 72 points.

Centrist ho! You're like most people, unable to make up their mind. Or maybe you're like a libertarian whose ideas are all over the map. Anyway, you're the target of most ad campaigns because your votes actually affect the outcome of elections (you attention ****, you). For fun, here are where some other major political figures would score (out of 144): George W. Bush: 94 John Kerry: 58 Ralph Nader: 12 Howard Dean: 34 Colin Powell: 82 Joe Lieberman: 70 John Edwards: 52 Harold Browne: 90 Michael Savage: 108 Me: 104

What political ideology do you have?

Your Result: Fascist
You believe vital industries should be regulated, not by government bureaucrats, but by national syndicates (like medieval guilds), which are composed of representatives from every aspect of the industry. You believe that business, as well as everything else, should work towards the betterment of the nation. You may see the State in a spiritual role. You tend to be authoritarian and extremely anti-communist.
Result Breakdown:
85% Fascist
51% Communist
22% Authoritarian Capitalist
19% Libertarian
10% Democratic Socialist
7% Anarchist
Quiz URL:


For 40 % you are: You are a democratic Socialist. You believe that socialism can be attained through democratic process only.



You are a liberal.
You favor little social regulation by the government but you do favor the government's regulation of the economy in order to preserve everyones rights and to provide welfare and all types of government services for the people.

So I'm a liberal moderate social democrat fascist. Apparently...

Right wing / A Song about Obama
« on: September 28, 2009, 10:17:59 pm »
Obama's loved over the ocean!
Obama's loved over the sea!
Obama's loved over the ocean!
By Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, and Kaddafi!

Right wing / If Patton were alive...
« on: September 26, 2009, 09:58:00 pm »
If Patton were alive, Osama would be chained to an oar

If only...

The Mud pile / MA reps like Pedophiles
« on: September 17, 2009, 05:47:43 pm »
Out of the 9 state reps only 1, John Tierney voted to cut funding for Acorn after being caught assisting in the exploitation of under-aged minorities.

Acorn are the scum of the earth, they tried to help a pimp sell under-aged girls to perverts for sex, under-aged girls from al Salvador.

Giving minorities a hand up? Try handing their young women over to pervert!

Anyway, all the state reps of Massachusetts except John Tierney are the scum of the earth, vote for anyone but them.

Right wing / Shut up Carter!!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: September 16, 2009, 11:47:45 am »
The worst president in modern American history offers his dubious wisdom in explaining why people are apposed to the radicalism of the Obama adminsitration... wait for it... wait for it...

Its because Obama is black.

Once again its not because he passed the trillion dollar pork bill, its not because he lied about the war, its not because he is trying to force the public option down our throats with without any justification excluding the fact that its "just one part of the bill" its not because he was the most liberal partisan man in the senate, its not because he had virtually no experience, its not because of his radical anti American associations...

No, its because he's black and the vast majority of Americans that voted for him, voted for a black man, just so they could turn on him later because they were racist all along...

That's the logic of radical modern liberalism, no logic at all.

I have my own accusation for Mr Peanut himself, since I'm a racist for criticizing Obama because he just happens to be black. I'm going to go ahead and call Jimmy Carter a Nazi since he's apposed to the state of Israel which happens to be Jewish.

Until Carter apologizes for his blanket ignorant statement about opposition to Obama, I'm going to henceforth refer to Jimmy Carter as Jimmy Von Hitler. I may need to work on that title... something over the top and Nazi related at least.

Anyway, Shut up Carter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Mud pile / The MA flip flop
« on: September 16, 2009, 06:39:01 am »
Here in the great state of the commonwealth of the glorious peoples republic of Taxachussetss our wise oligarchs, (democrat state senators) made a decision during the 2004 campaign of John Kerry to change the law of succession for the States two national senate seats. Originally it allowed then Governor, republican Mitt Romney to fill any vacant senate seat with an interim appointee who would then have to run for reelection at the next scheduled election.

To prevent Mitt from appointing a republican should John Kerry win, they changed the law. Now that the Governor is Deval Patrick and Senator for life Ted Kennedy has shed his mortal coil, the wise Solons at Beacon hill are voting to reverse their political decision to allow current but soon to be former Governor Deval Partick, (whose approval ratings make Bush look popular in 07) to appoint a democrat to fill the seat before the people have a chance to elect a republican or an independent due to the shear rage the people in Massachusetts, (and the rest of the country) are feeling towards democrats right now.

So lets play a game, I'm going to list the state senators who voted to Pass the original amendment to change the law, and lets see how many of them vote to change it back.

The Mud pile / The war on Conspiracy theories!
« on: September 15, 2009, 07:11:12 pm »
I Giuliano taverna do hereby declare war on all the frauds, fear mongers, and lunatics who use the internet to spread lies and propaganda either to further their political, ethnic, or religious agenda, or simply for kicks.

This thread is open to all, tin foil hat wearing and not alike. Please... post any conspiracy theories you know of, so I can debunk them. Or if you wish to help me out. Post theories and the proof that debunks them.

The Mud pile / Hypocrisy courtesy of Maureen Dowd
« on: September 14, 2009, 07:10:47 am »
op-ed new York times columnist to the great tumult and emphatic appreciation of the race baiters in the far left wrote a columnist recently condemning the actions of south Carolina senator Joe Wilson in accusing Obama of lying as motivated by racism along with the entirety of the anti Obama, tax day tea party/ democrat healthcare reform protests.

Now, taken aside the absurd arrogance of accusing a movement that I know first hand is multi racial, of being racist. I'm going to show how based on her own standard of racial politics, namely that anyone who criticized a black man for any reason is only motivated by race must prove that she herself is a racist.

Former potential justice Clarence Thomas was accused by Dowed in yet another New York times op-ed column of "low tech lynching"

in his decision to stop the recount in Florida totally ignoring the serious effect such an attempt to subvert the political process contesting the result of a lawful democratic election had, and its un presented nature. Silly things like tradition and common sense never occur to liberals anyway. Much less the sanctity of a respected institution like the electoral college. Clinging to the popular leftist belief that the election was stolen by sinister republicans and sinister conservative "activist judges" as if such an oxymoron could be taken seriously. She slams him over and over attacking the premise of his political beliefs as ungrateful, not authentically black, and she audaciously contends that she a white female new yorker is somehow more informed as to the state of black males in this country than a black male who was subjected to Jim crow growing up in the south.

Since she is fully justified in attacking conservatives for being racist for attacking liberal policies and those that appose them, (which by the way they should be entirely expected to do by definition as conservatives) without any proof and hardly any timidity, I'd like to return the favor and claim that she is racist without any proof, (excluding her standard of proof which is having criticized a black man for any reason.) I challenge liberal race baiters to prove she isn't a racist, in the same way they expect me to prove a negative and find evidence that any given obama protester up to and including Joe Wilson is not a racist. Based on their line of reasoning, I have to conclude a flying spaghetti monster created earth and mankind due to a lack of evidence to the contrary.

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