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Am I crazy?
« on: May 21, 2009, 09:11:01 pm »
Based on the events of the last few days, I have become an Obama supporter on foreign policy, and a Dick Cheney Fan.

Barack has adopted most of the Bush administrations policy in regards to the war. And I am very pleased with that.

Dick Cheney's speech was dead on, and I agree with just about every thing he has said.

I'm not sure precisely how I've arrived at this position, I know pretty much everyone hates Cheney, for reasons that escape me. And I know most people who supported Obama are foaming at the mouth because of his new Bush like direction.
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Re: Am I crazy?
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2009, 10:01:07 pm »
No, you're just honest to your opinions.

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Re: Am I crazy?
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2009, 11:15:05 pm »
They hate Cheney because of Halliburton. And don't tell me it's all faked, they did hold a no-bid contract, they did sell coke-a-colas to soldiers at the taxpayers' expense for $45, they did not clean the uniforms they were supposed to clean nor ensure unsoiled water, and that does just happen to be Cheney's old company. But let's assume for the moment that I'm a moonbat, and none of that happened, and let's have a thought experiment. What regulations are in place to prevent unfair favouritism of that sort? What would be the punishment, and who would punish?

But no, you're not crazy, you're just a salad-bar politician.

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Re: Am I crazy?
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2009, 08:13:03 am »
So the fact that Cheney had no stake in  Halliburton whatsoever isn't convincing to you?

http://www.factcheck.org/kerry_ad_falsely_accuses_cheney_on_halliburton.html

Since my dad is the general projects manager of the Chelsea department of public works, I would suggest the same process by which contractors are chosen for our construction projects. Public bidding.
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Re: Am I crazy?
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2009, 11:11:57 pm »
You know very well that "no stake in" means no such thing. Politicians and businessmen trade a billion dirty ways to transfer money.

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Re: Am I crazy?
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2009, 12:21:35 am »
care to offer substance to that claim?
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2009, 01:42:36 am »
It's enough that they held a no-bid contract (there's no excuse for that) and gave the job to Cheney's old company. Obviously there was something going on.

I thought you believed in the free market.

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Re: Am I crazy?
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2009, 08:51:23 am »
That's a totally circumstantial claim, do you have even a shred of evidence that Cheney had anything to do with the decision to grant Halliburton those contracts?

Sounds to me like a conspiracy theory.
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Re: Am I crazy?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2009, 01:07:39 am »
What if he didn't? Even then... It's still favouritism to hold a no-bid contract rather than have open competition.

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Re: Am I crazy?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2009, 10:14:01 am »
If he didn't then your entire point is moot. It seems your entire position on Cheney is built on a baseless smear.

Its beyond illogical to admit you have no evidence to suggest Cheney had anything to do with Halliburton then continue to suggest he is guilty of giving them favors.
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Re: Am I crazy?
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2009, 12:47:25 am »
A no-bid contract is a favour.

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Re: Am I crazy?
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2009, 11:54:42 am »
And do you have proof Cheney was involved in them? If not its a conspiracy theory.
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Re: Am I crazy?
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2009, 10:19:38 pm »
I don't care who was involved, it's still wrong.

Although I'll eat my cap if he wasn't involved. Call it a conspiracy theory if you want, but all politicians have been doing the same thing for a while now. Don't think that Republicans aren't corrupt just because they aren't Democrats.

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Re: Am I crazy?
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2009, 09:55:19 am »
Ok now you are just being foolish. Cheney isn't innocent to me because he is a republican, he is innocent because there is no evidence he is guilty. By your own admission so you should just confess you have no logical reason to attack Cheney.
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Re: Am I crazy?
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2009, 09:06:23 pm »
Then I attack whoever was responsible for holding a no-bid contract, that is the antithesis of a fair market.