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The treachery of Nuri al-Maliki
« on: June 28, 2009, 09:45:23 am »
So I was watching the news and they mentioned the prime minister of Iraq Nuri al-Maliki who only exists because of our support was calling the withdrawal of American troops V day for Iraq. My immediate response was, "great" the Iraqis are declaring victory against our mutual enemies the insurgents who continue to wage their war on the Iraqi people.

It was only after reading him did I realize he said "It is a great victory for Iraqis that we are taking the first step toward ending the foreign presence in Iraq," I don't know when our own allies decided it was good politics to leach off us for aid, and military support while at the same time using us as a scapegoat to ride the wave of anti American disinformation spouted by the terrorists who continue to make life unbearable for millions of innocent Muslims world wide. But that drew a level of disgust from me that I still haven't recovered from. Its obvious what this is, an attempt to win over the anti Americans in the parliament by seeming to be against us troops, while he at the same time works hand in hand with them, and only lives because of them, but its no excuse. Political pragmatism at the expense of our image around the world is not something we should tolerate.

Unless he apologizes for this insult and tells his people how much we have sacrificed for their sake, (which Obama should demand) I at this moment renounce all my previous commitments to Iraq with the exception of Kurdistan.  Which I understand is demonstrably pro American. In my opinion we should let the lunatic prime minister of Iraq hang himself by giving him exactly what he claims he wants, no support. We should move all remaining forces out of Iraq, cut off all aid and support, and announce that we won't be helping people who insult us behind our backs while leeching off of us for sustenance. I do think we should keep some troops in Kurdistan and in minority communities to prevent them from being targeted, as for the rest of the country, let them eat cake.

When their country is in flames, and they are on their knees begging for our help, we should remind them that they had asked for it.
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Re: The treachery of Nuri al-Maliki
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2009, 09:43:28 pm »
Exactly. How many times have I told you... Those people don't want us there? I had no idea Kurdistan was different but if it is, fine, help them.

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Re: The treachery of Nuri al-Maliki
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2009, 09:54:56 pm »
The kurds are probably the most deserving of our assistance out of all the people in the middle east.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=503619

Also, they don't want us there because they have been indoctrinated by anti American propaganda, not because there is anything wrong with them.
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Re: The treachery of Nuri al-Maliki
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2009, 02:05:34 pm »
You only want a television because of media brainwashing making you think you need one. Does that mean I can take it away from you? No, they make their own choices about what they want and what they do not want. Especially under your rule, where you'd be making them pay for it. By your logic I should be able to send you whatever I think you need in the mail and bill you. Or bill the taxpayer. Makes little difference; you "need" it, and you only don't want it because you're not a sentient being capable of making decisions for yourself about what you do and do not want.

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Re: The treachery of Nuri al-Maliki
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2009, 03:03:18 pm »
I don't need a TV.
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Re: The treachery of Nuri al-Maliki
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2009, 10:05:36 pm »
My point is, brainwashed or no, you make your own decisions and if you don't want a television, I have no right to declare that you need it.

When the people become rational enough to decide they need help, then they can ask for it, and then and only then should they even be considered to get it.

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Re: The treachery of Nuri al-Maliki
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2009, 11:36:53 pm »
I agree with you to an extent. I've said many times that I wouldn't have started the Iraq war when bush did. But the issue is that it was started, we had troops on the ground, and when you are faced with a choice between giving up, or wining. I tend to assume we will be better off wining, than losing.

And we won, obviously. Despite this demagogue its clear Nuri is our guy in Iraq, the Iraqis are happy, and we can move on now.

All things considered, it wasn't the worst mistake in the history of American interventionist foreign policy, (that would be the retreat from Vietnam in my opinion)
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Re: The treachery of Nuri al-Maliki
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2009, 06:32:54 pm »
Sometimes when you win, you lose.

- Chris Nielsen (played by Robin Williams)
What Dreams May Come

A nice piece of advice, especially when considering a pyrric victory.

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Re: The treachery of Nuri al-Maliki
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 07:03:18 pm »
a Pyrrhic victory is better than a defeat.
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