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Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« on: June 21, 2009, 09:19:48 pm »
Once again, this time in Britain, fairness is upheld:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1193677/Police-carrying-searches-just-statistics-warns-terror-watchdog.html


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Police 'illegally' stopping white people to racially balance stop-and-search figures, watchdog claims By James Slack

 
Police are making unjustified and 'almost certainly' illegal searches of white people to provide 'racial balance' to Government figures.

Lord Carlile, the independent reviewer of terror laws, said he knew of cases where suspects were stopped by officers even though there was no evidence against them.

He warned that police were wasting time and money by carrying out these 'self-evidently unmerited searches' which were an invasion of civil liberties and 'almost certainly unlawful'.
 Police are carrying out 'self-evidently unmerited searches, according to Lord Carlile, the independent reviewer of terror laws (file picture)
The searches of, for example, 'blonde women' who fit no terrorist profile come against a backdrop of complaints from rights groups that the number of black and Muslim people being stopped by police is disproportionate.

Lord Carlile suggests whites are being needlessly stopped in order to balance the books.

Last year, the number of whites searched under anti-terror laws rocketed by 185 per cent, from 25,962 to 73,967.

Whites made up around two-thirds of all those stopped, although, compared to the overall population, blacks and Asians remain far more likely to be stopped and searched.

Lord Carlile, a Liberal Democrat peer and QC, condemned the wrongful use of Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 in his annual report on anti-terror laws.

 Lord Carlile says police should stop trying to racially balance figures on stop and searches

He said police were carrying out the searches on people they had no basis for suspecting so they could avoid accusations of prejudice.

Lord Carlile wrote: 'I have evidence of cases where the person stopped is so obviously far from any known terrorism profile that, realistically, there is not the slightest possibility of him/her being a terrorist, and no other feature to justify the stop.

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Re: Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2009, 09:35:03 pm »
I'm not even mildly surprised, the UK under Gordon Brown is probably to the left of Obama's America.

They put Michael Savage on a list including Islamic fundamentalists and Neo Nazis, anything to appease the special interests which demand social and economic equality, at any cost.

Jon Bull is long dead...

When it comes to equality, all men are created equal and should be treated equally under the law. But if someone has committed no criminal action and there is no plausible reason to believe he or she did, or may, then you don't perform searches. If it turns out the number of people who commit crimes shows a statistical anomaly that favors one group or another. You investigate the rational behind the people who were searched, you don't arbitrarily decide to even it out by searching random people from another statistical category.

I think most people would agree with that.
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Re: Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2009, 11:04:41 pm »
Those policemen are only doing what is logical to protect themselves against allegations of prejudice that would certainly cost them their jobs.

Fair is fair. If you believe that there are no inherent differences between races - in other words, that ethnic Muslims are no more likely to be terrorists - then there is no excuse to stop proportionately more Muslims except unfair prejudice.

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Re: Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2009, 12:28:19 am »
Except we don't know that Muslims were targeted unjustly. Sufficient evidence was not presented.
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Re: Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2009, 10:49:46 am »
Then let me explain the evidense in simple, logical terms.

There is no difference or inequality in percent of Muslim terrorists and percent of White terrorists. (This is a Truth, you cannot dispute it.)
There is a difference and inequality that is skewed in favour of whites in the number of individuals stop-searched on suspicion of terrorism.
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∴ The number of stop-searches is racially biased against Muslims.

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Re: Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2009, 05:40:35 pm »
Except we don't know that Muslims were targeted unjustly. Sufficient evidence was not presented.

That doesn't matter. People are so obsessed with races being equal they will deny any race being different, even if true, and blame any inequality on racism, even if the actions are of the own race's fault.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2009, 09:29:37 pm by Nin »

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Re: Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2009, 06:14:59 pm »
What Gaius just isn't getting is that the disproprtionality must be unjust if you assume that all races are equal.

And thinking otherwise is criminal, therefore in any sane thinking, the disproportionality was unjust.

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Re: Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2009, 08:01:09 pm »
What Gaius just isn't getting is that the disproprtionality must be unjust if you assume that all races are equal.

And thinking otherwise is criminal, therefore in any sane thinking, the disproportionality was unjust.


That is an absurd leap in logic. And it ignores cultural factors that encourage negative behavior in communities.
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Re: Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2009, 09:39:49 pm »
What Gaius just isn't getting is that the disproprtionality must be unjust if you assume that all races are equal.

And thinking otherwise is criminal, therefore in any sane thinking, the disproportionality was unjust.


That is an absurd leap in logic. And it ignores cultural factors that encourage negative behavior in communities.

Mine is nothing more than a behavioral observation, Alia's is an explanation of the behavior. How do you apply flawless logic to the illogical? And if what she says is false, what is the explanation for this behavior?

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Re: Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2009, 09:03:24 am »
What behavior? The disproportionate number of Muslims who are Islamic fundamentalists, or the way the liberal morons in Brittan are trying to placate the Radical Imams and their own self hatred and white guilt by searching Anglo Saxons?

The way I see it, its very simple. If you are concerned about Islamic fundamentalists, you don't check Christians, if you are concerned about right wing militias, you don't check liberals, if you are concerned about eco terrorists you don't check Asians, ect ect.

I'd also like to point out a lot of terrorists are white Muslim converts, like the shoe bomber Richard Reid.
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Re: Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2009, 04:46:32 pm »
What behavior? The disproportionate number of Muslims who are Islamic fundamentalists, or the way the liberal morons in Brittan are trying to placate the Radical Imams and their own self hatred and white guilt by searching Anglo Saxons?

The way I see it, its very simple. If you are concerned about Islamic fundamentalists, you don't check Christians, if you are concerned about right wing militias, you don't check liberals, if you are concerned about eco terrorists you don't check Asians, ect ect.


I'd also like to point out a lot of terrorists are white Muslim converts, like the shoe bomber Richard Reid.

You racist scum!

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Re: Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2009, 06:43:41 pm »
what are you talking about?
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Re: Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2009, 09:14:43 am »
He's pointing out that in PC society, you can't do that, or such a label will be applied to you.

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Re: Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2009, 12:40:51 pm »
He's pointing out that in PC society, you can't do that, or such a label will be applied to you.

Am I supposed to care?
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Re: Fairness in Stop-Searches Upheld
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2009, 01:41:27 pm »
You probably would if you were a policeman and not having such a label was the difference between keeping your job and being in danger of losing it.